Youre so fixated with her guilt, youre unable to see other factors that show this case to be a disgraceful travesty. Pat will spend the rest of her natural life in prison where people like her belong. But it doesnt make a nonsense of her being the shooter, regardless of their speculation. They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. Too many people testified as to the type of person she was. And the fact that Patricia called Andrew even after he married someone else didnt mean she was still carrying a torch for him, according to one of her friends. It all gave jurors a lot to think about but only for six hours. Prue is currently serving a life sentence with the eventual opportunity for parole. That's counting the nine bullets you put in Sarah. During Patricias hours-long turn in the witness chair, Michael McIntyre grilled her relentlessly. This article is little more than fiction. Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. Yaser Said is accused of killing his two daughters in 2008. Islam Said, Yasseins 32-year-old nephew, pleaded guilty to the same charges last month in connection with the effort to protect Yaser Said, 63, who had been a fugitive since 2008. If the answer is no, enough said! The 5-foot-9-inch-tall Patricia was physically strong, no match for 5-foot-4-inch Joann. "If she could do that as a woman, my God.". Within about seven months of Larry being placed in a maximum-security prison, the LAPD paid him a visit. ST. JOHNSBURY A three-year nightmare for the loved ones of Melissa Jenkins is one step closer to ending. I really never thought of it again.. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. I do. "I don't have any mercy for that lady," Blasczyk said, referring to Patricia Prue. At that time he was living in Connecticut. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. Sticking to a promise he made before the pair pleaded guilty, the Republican governor announced Tuesday that Mark and Patricia McCloskey were among 12 people granted pardons on Friday. 2}Wo).hf}~g={g::y]peb78R,;>59_'cuB F4QyU&9G=#0 OK my GUESS is Patricia did do it! They did this case on Reasonable Doubt last night. Alfey says that the next thing he knew his mother was being handcuffed and taken to the county jail even though the woman who was showing the model home was given back the stolen property. In 1981, Patricia Wrights second husband, Willie Jerome Scott, was found stabbed to death in his mobile home park in Los Angeles. Locked up. Yaser Abdel Said, 65, was found guilty of the 2008 capital murders of his daughters, Sarah Said, 17, and Amina Said, 18, according to the Dallas Morning News. Prosecutors did not seek the death penalty, so Said was automatically sentenced to life in prison with no parole. After 30 minutes Id be calling someone! Before receiving her final sentence, Patricia Prue, 35, of Waterford addressed the court saying that her biggest regret was not seeking help for her mental health issues earlier. The Charley Project offers details of the womans life before she went missing: She walked throughout the city, approaching strangers and telling them shed had a vision of the Virgin Mary and the world was about to end. Keep in mind that 34 hairs are in custody of the state police, so where are the other 4 hairs? After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. "Clive was a skilful and inventive actor with wide experience, as his successful career proved," she said. We should be skeptical of those, like you, who suggest its obvious a jury got it wrong that you know better than 12 people presented with the evidence. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. (A good point. Patricia McCloskey pleaded guilty Thursday to misdemeanor harassment and was fined $2,000. At one point Interpol had an extremely similar case in which an individual convinced a friend, who had been his sexual partner several times in the past, to kill the woman he had a baby with, on the grounds that the child is not his and he does not love her but cannot leave because everyone would accuse him of abandoning his child and his family name would be affected. I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. On Aug. 31, 2011, at 11 a.m., Wrights family, the Action Committee for Women in Prison, and the FACTS community and supporters gathered in front of Gov. If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. If you want to help her let her find peace by admitting her wrong and asking God for forgiveness. Nope. She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. "There is nothing I or anyone can say to make what you've been put through any easier," Patricia Prue said. Warren, who was tearful at the end of the hearing, said she is pleased with the outcome of the case, and that her office was only waiting on the outcome of Allen Prue's appeal. Roughly nine months ago, Interpol contacted the police department that kept her file open. Those that think that Patricia is innocent are simply groping at straws. Entries in Patricia Prue's journal included vague descriptions of a joint fantasy that she and Allen Prue shared and were looking to fulfill. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. A Texas father one of the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives wanted for the slayings of his two teen daughters was busted after more than 12 years on the run, the federal law enforcement agency announced. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! You are absolutely right. I dont think so. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. Let me ask youWhy do most of those who post adverse and hateful comments feel the need to? Owens said because of what Said did, she will never get to see her daughters grow up. Amina Said's mother Patricia Owens Said was not charged with murder. (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. She was always looking for a fight, Gary Gabard told the Morning Call, which noted that he was a head shorter than Patricia. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. Nailed? She hadn't lived long enough.". Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). Joann would have fought for her life the person that did this would have had marks on them from a fight! Browns action to grant clemency was rescinded after discovering that Patricia Wright had two prior felonies from when her son stole two 99-cent toys and a hand towel from an open house 15 years earlier. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. Very similar. Required fields are marked *. Tragedy also touched Patricias life. Ex-boyfriend Walter Blalock said that Patricia wanted him to be more like Andrew. Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. Jenkins' violent death shocked residents of the Northeast Kingdom, including Gerta Blasczyk of St. Johnsbury. Once, when a gun-wielding farmer and his buddy caught Patricia and Gary riding motorcycles on his field, Patricia walked up and got in their faces and argued, Gary recalled to the Morning Call. All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. Throughout the process, she heard many community members waiting for the proceedings to be over. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. How could I explain to my daughter years later that I took a plea for something I didnt do? she said. It might have said no root but could have been wrong. I very much doubt you are. She should have received the death penalty imo. They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. Jenkins was reported missing after her vehicle was found idling with her 2-year-old son inside. . Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. Patricia Prue also expressed remorse for her husband's actions. How do you explain her not telling the truth to the authorities about the gun and its flaw of only able to shoot once and then jamming up. Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. The couple moved into Andrews sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. I thought the same. Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. I was told they wanted to convict Lawrence Slaughter and not my sister.. If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? You say by definition! How do you know this woman wasnt obsessed with him and wanted his wife out of the way? If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. Well of course it is, so you overstated your opinion as though you know it to be fact, thus the jury and others were wrong; ironic because youre quick to complain that others are much to sure of *their* opinion shes guilty. Plus, he had only a minimal life insurance policy on Joann and he passed polygraphs, according to The FBI Files: Family Secrets. Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. My biggest issue is the day the phone call came in, and the fact that the prosecutor deliberately misrepresented the facts. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. I think we need to realize that each dollar we spend or don't spend could have a serious impact on our society and our safety.". I come home one night, and shes just gone, and nobody knows where shes at, Bob Kopta, husband of Patricia Kopta, said at a press conference reported by Pittsburgh Or did they? The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. Your pathetic attempt to insult not only shows a not very original comment, but clearly displays a lack of intelligence. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? Just consider all your nasty posts about others opinions and learn to attack the argument, not the arguer with insults. Those who knew Joann pointed out that she didnt like to drive in reverse and would have never parked that way. In addition to the Facebook page, there are Reddit threads on her case. (Nope. Remember, killers have the advantage over investigators. But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. "Justice would have been the Irving Police Department doing their job," defense attorney Joe Patton said during closing arguments. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. Yaser Said was found guilty of killing his two daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, in 2008. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. Highly charged case. In North Carolina, she reportedly enjoyed some success as a horse trader, riding instructor, and rodeo competitor. Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!! You people are fighting a losing cause! Trash-talking ex. They broke up in 1993. You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. During the tour Alfey was able to slip away into a room that was made for a little boy. All 3 of her alibis were lies, DNA tied her to the murder, there was no sexual assault, she had a violent past, was obsessed with Andy, and was caught lying about owning a gun, which coincidentally jammed after firing once and shell cases were found on her property. Prosecutors said the Prues planned the March 2012 crime: Patricia Prue's computer had been used to conduct online searches for "how to kidnap a girl," the Prues acquired a stun gun, and they bought a prepaid cellphone to call Jenkins to ask for help. (Disclaimer: Im not a big fan of eyewitnesses who come forward years after the fact, but its possible). And Patricia wasnt all edges. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. Cops under pressure will lie to close a case. She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial issues and that Jerome was dying of liver cancer and only had 60 days to live. The organization purports that if there were awards for distorted reporting, the Morning Callwould win high honors.. As for him, yes, it looks like the first suspect, but if he had alibis, quite hard to accuse of actually doing it, and I understand it was a pretty solid one. More than 20 years after her conviction, Patricia Rorrer still has advocates working to exonerate her. If you subscribe to Hulu and upgrade to Starz (theres a free one-week trial offer), you can stream the Wrong Man episodes about Patricia Rorrer. You took my life. Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. Both were deceased. No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! They also raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence, including the lack of fingerprints and eyewitness reports the place Said at the crime scene. And in a piece of salacious testimony, Patricia Rorrers half sister, Sandra Ireland, said that in May 1995, about six months after the murder, their mother, Patricia Chambers, stopped by the house and asked her to hold onto or hide a gun, or both. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led them to investigate. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. . Rorrer killed these two people in cold blood and the jury got it right! The case was eventually abandoned. One of the hairs had magically developed root material to enable that. Carter can be reached at ccarter6@gmail.com. The obvious, if moot, response to this is to observe that her conviction wasnt based on inaccurate documentaries but on trial. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. One on one? Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. so then using your contention, one who is deeply religious and sees God as being a factual figure is wrong? Said showed no emotion as the verdict was read. "As horrible as Ms. Jenkins death was, it should stand for something," Marsicovetere said. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. Then you claim this is an opinion. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. Patricia Prue had been planning to use an insanity defense if the case were to go to trial, but she asked the court in December if she could change her plea so she could begin corresponding with her husband once again. Wright desires to live her last days with her five children and six grandchildren, was in the statement as well. They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. If her husband was going to do that Im sure he wouldve done it in a totally different way! (Media sources vary as to whether she actually worked at the stable or just rented a stall there for her own horse.). There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. Dance defense. Yes, documentaries probably do misrepresent evidence, and many may respond to that misrepresentation, but beneath that is jury judgment, and while courts can be wrong they are usually right. A correction to the comment above. Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. The Egyptian-born taxicab driver was sought on capital murder charges since the New Years Day 2008 shootings of his two daughters, Sarah Yaser Said, 17, and Amina Yaser Said, 18, which have been described as honor killings.. in emerging media and communication from the University of Texas at Dallas and an M.S. She asked to speak with Andrew, who was home during the call; Joann refused. The Irish-Italian girl had full, fluffy dark hair, olive skin, and a pretty face. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. Patricia Cole, a veteran copy editor whose sharp eye, quick wit and kind heart made her a cherished colleague at NPR and other news outlets, died on Friday at age 46, The hearing of the motion for reduction of felony to misdemeanor will be held Tuesday, Oct. 11, at 1:30 p.m. in the Riverside Courthouse at 4050 Main St. in Department 42. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. It was winter which are cold in PA and would slow down decomposition and minimize insect activity although you are correct about the rodentswhy were there none? Lets stop pretending we can definitively prove this woman murdered this woman and her child. Combination locks. At the states request, the instructor wore a wire during a phone conversation with Patricia. Patty is my cousin. Ms. !) and detractors (This is another bs attempt to free a psycho). He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. The LAPD alleged that Patricias motive was to get Jeromes insurance money, which had a value of $30,000. The FBI even included a written report to that effect. I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. Why would the LAPD destroy the evidence, Patricias sister Arletta and other family members still ask to this day. One of them from his ex-wife, Patricia Owens. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. If documentaries are, as you claim, biased against Rorrer, the obvious question is why. She is legally blind, has stage four cancer that has spread to her breasts and her brain, causing her to lose control of her bodily functions, leaving her diapered, and has been given six months to live. In a surprise move, Said testified on Monday. Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? How is it that these women are paroled? Despite the fact it has never been proved thats exactly how it happened, it seems to be accepted as fact it could just as possibly have been the other way round, beaten and then shot. She was wrongfully convicted.. Its nine minutes into the video. What a lame article. Whoever writes this amateurish swill should get a real life, andsa real job. Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. Its sad that some people just cant move on and continue to feel that what they want is going to be THEIRS regardless. I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? Catherine are you sure your names not Karen? She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! This story has been shared 114,982 times. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. A Pennsylvania woman who went missing more than 30 years ago in a case that stumped authorities who later declared her legally dead has been found living in a nursing home in Puerto Rico. Judges may have the discretion to reduce a felony in a wobbler case to a misdemeanor. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. Let her rot like she left Joan and that INNOCENT baby Alex. Her mother was married to my uncle. Your assertion that most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense is in fact nonsense the reality is that most people are easily fooled by these biased documentaries who then feel its okay to spout their tripe as if its the gospel. Walmart woe. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. Or did they? They are a joke. That documentary points out that, despite the bodies of the two victims supposedly being exposed for several months, their condition remained relatively undisturbed by weather or animal activity. Microconidia DNA, as long as the strand is one inch long they can pull the DNA from that. Justice is about uncovering the truth. All that remains is the conclusion of an appeal that Prue's husband Allen Prue has made to the Vermont Supreme Court following his October conviction in Jenkins' murder. Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. Marissa Suarez, in the matching brown hat and scarf, and Patricia Todisco, in the darker hat, are seen inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 (images via FBI court filing). In 1995, Larry Wright was facing a 10-year sentence for two felonies, risk of an injury to a minor and violating a restraining order, and a misdemeanor for threatening by saying, Im going to kill you, to his wife after he caught her cheating. They noted houses near the murder scene would have heard a gunshot in December, when no farm equipment is making noise, and question why the murderer didnt just kill Joann inside her house instead of risking being seen in public in her car. Nataly Keomoungkhoun, Engagement/Breaking News reporter. This is the most ridiculous take ever! Black said she was glad Said took the witness stand, giving her the chance to poke holes in his story, exposing him to everyone who has been watching this case. Just one example. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. I believe this woman murdered Joann and Alex. As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. [emailprotected]. Police were led to the Prues by a business card found in Jenkins' home for Allen Prue's snow-plow business and a report that the Prues had called Jenkins about trouble with their vehicle. He jumped at the opportunity with the understanding that the emphasis would be on Lawrence Slaughter and not his sister. Phone records dont lie.) Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned?